government debt, u.s. government bonds again. >> you fast forward to the debt ceiling. i think that's the mirror image of the fiscal cliff. because the default, if nothing happens, is that the debt ceiling is not raised. what that means it doesn't mean, as some who would demagogue this issue suggest, i doesn't mean a default on our debt. whatnot raising the debt ceiling would mean is a partial government shutdown. roughly 40 cents of every dollar the federal government spends is borrowed. if you don't raise the debt ceiling, that 40 cents is temporarily stopped. now we did that in 1995. we didn't default on our debt. >> woodruff: right. the result was balanced budgets and some of the greatest fiscal responsibility was seen we've seen in modern times from congress because fiscal conservatives stood together and said we need to be responsible. >> woodruff: let me ask you about a couple of other issues. that is guns. you're a long-time proponent of gun rights. you're the father of two young girls ages 4 and 2. after those terrible shootings at that h elementary school in c